tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post1607886401978595556..comments2023-04-26T05:46:09.133-07:00Comments on Smith EWL 08-09: Dorian Gray 1-3 Fishbowlanneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comBlogger119125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-19836715305053917042009-03-09T12:31:00.000-07:002009-03-09T12:31:00.000-07:00I also believe in response to Adrienne that the pr...I also believe in response to Adrienne that the preface is mildly sarcastic and that throughout the early chapters Wilde is criticizing the frail nature of heterosexual relationships by highlighting their weak nature in the marriage of Lord Henry. Also, the three men seem to have a very odd love triangle going on, which one best represents Oscar Wilde?jordan shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02398133865513946245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-88401529214939808262009-03-09T12:29:00.000-07:002009-03-09T12:29:00.000-07:00From the very beginning it is obvious that there i...From the very beginning it is obvious that there is a homosexual undertone in the book. One can sense the jealousy that Basil feels when Lord Henry steals the attention of Dorian Gray. I am curious as to why Basil would put Dorian on such a high pedestal, does this reveal the way that Wilde views himself as an artist?jordan shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02398133865513946245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-35770586272376311312009-02-19T17:25:00.000-08:002009-02-19T17:25:00.000-08:00From reading the first 3 chapters and the comments...From reading the first 3 chapters and the comments, I feel that Oscar Wilde's life appears to be pretty sad, and lonely. He seems to have very cold characters that don't care about each other. Their relationships are torn and battered, giving me the impression that Wilde himself did not have very good experience with relationships himself. He also wrote the preface in what I interpreted as a sarcastic, almost angry tone. And everything he said in the preface was meant to protect himself, and stand up for his writing. To sum up, I feel that Oscar Wilde lived a very sad lifestyle, where he had mainly bad relationships and was always forced to stand up for himself. I myself think it would be extremely hard to live all the ridicule and hate that Wilde lived with.KaitlanW2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/11989971544322184526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-46706659606300766462009-02-16T20:07:00.000-08:002009-02-16T20:07:00.000-08:00Molly; I find it weird that Dorian would just tota...Molly; I find it weird that Dorian would just totally blow off Basil and with this does this say anything about the people in Oscar Wilde's life? The people he adores the most leave him and want nothing to do with him?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13707582665753979017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-57284983383438639692009-02-16T20:04:00.000-08:002009-02-16T20:04:00.000-08:00Lauren: I think that youth is such a big topic sin...Lauren: I think that youth is such a big topic since it is in our youth that we learn the most and really find out who we are as people and this is where we find what we are good at. It starts with the youth because you cannot start at the end and go back, you start at the begening and go forward.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13707582665753979017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-73545033289749893302009-02-16T20:02:00.000-08:002009-02-16T20:02:00.000-08:00Lauren: I think that Wilde writes the Preface diff...Lauren: I think that Wilde writes the Preface different to really think about what he is trying to say. I think that Wilde is trying to set us up that he really adores art but people dont agree and think that art is a waste of time.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13707582665753979017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-47132350033637846142009-02-13T10:33:00.002-08:002009-02-13T10:33:00.002-08:00Jake: You could be right. We .don't know a lot ab...Jake: You could be right. We .don't know a lot about Basil's past. Lord Henry could be the instagator of corruption and loss of innocenceAdrienneB2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/02534493849537243802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-66844061949998584382009-02-13T10:33:00.001-08:002009-02-13T10:33:00.001-08:00Jake- you have been writing awesome comments and c...Jake- you have been writing awesome comments and connections~!anneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-87063168362640660942009-02-13T10:33:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:33:00.000-08:00Inner circle: I agree that the relationships do no...Inner circle: I agree that the relationships do not all have to be more than just friendships. Dorian may just want someone to be there to support him, like Brittney said, like a father.KendraS2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/06906394076480884131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-51964605582754943952009-02-13T10:32:00.001-08:002009-02-13T10:32:00.001-08:00Adrienne- Definite possibility, I guess we'll have...Adrienne- Definite possibility, I guess we'll have to wait and see.Rick Maestashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443020649399895031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-90458046444774103342009-02-13T10:32:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:32:00.000-08:00Do you think that Dorian is so self centered that ...Do you think that Dorian is so self centered that he enjoys the attention from Basil and Lord Henry so much that he will be too blind to whatever romance involving him is to come?LaurenB2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/16840409608002226925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-57718348186613603022009-02-13T10:30:00.001-08:002009-02-13T10:30:00.001-08:00***Is it possibly that Basil was once like Dorian ...***Is it possibly that Basil was once like Dorian and that is why he doesn’t want to surrender Dorian to Henry? Could he have been tainted by Henry already and now that he fined Dorian he doesn’t want him to talk to Henry?JakeFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15312546900194341087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-82810732481552782702009-02-13T10:30:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:30:00.000-08:00Rick: Whoa! We do notice how possessive Basil is o...Rick: Whoa! We do notice how possessive Basil is of Dorian....maybe that is the scandal. Might we have stalker situation develop?AdrienneB2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/02534493849537243802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-5959559133356414672009-02-13T10:29:00.002-08:002009-02-13T10:29:00.002-08:00Adrienne- Its hard to say, its probably too soon t...Adrienne- Its hard to say, its probably too soon to give a definitive answer. Like Smith said, it was a different society. We are putting our views of our society onto Victorian society. The relationship seems "creepy" in our eyes, but it could be a genuine friendship with no pretentions of romance. Like frodo and sam or Legolas and Gimli.KatieO2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/00938909605153530527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-48377166062803453202009-02-13T10:29:00.001-08:002009-02-13T10:29:00.001-08:00Adrienne: So far it's really hard to tell what is ...Adrienne: So far it's really hard to tell what is going on between Dorian and Henry. The way Wilde writes the conversations between the two does come off in a romantic style but you have to remember that Wilde himself is gay so it's possible that there is no romance between the two and it is just the style of Wilde's writing.LaurenB2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/16840409608002226925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-6936982481008067502009-02-13T10:29:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:29:00.000-08:00Adrienne- Right now I see it just as a bromance bu...Adrienne- Right now I see it just as a bromance but I can see this possibly turning into something more but at this point you never know.KatieM2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/00102557760070897869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-72283963986340283702009-02-13T10:28:00.001-08:002009-02-13T10:28:00.001-08:00Inner circle: Dorian pines for attention from a ma...Inner circle: Dorian pines for attention from a man of power because his grandfather never gave it to him.AdrienneB2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/02534493849537243802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-74289338952775912172009-02-13T10:28:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:28:00.000-08:00Adrienne- Bromance is a definite possibility in th...Adrienne- Bromance is a definite possibility in this case. Innocence is something that has come up repeatedly in the inner circle, and isn't it a possibility that Lord Henry is the innocent one, and he has stumbled upon Dorian and Basil's same-sex relationship?Rick Maestashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16443020649399895031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-14051567221425552272009-02-13T10:27:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:27:00.000-08:00Jake: thats a very interesting thought, I had't lo...Jake: thats a very interesting thought, I had't looked at it that way. But now that you mention it, maybe Dorian and Basil don't have a romance, but Basil has a complex that he must save Dorian and protect him.SarahE2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/12605441788876874810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-32842626753009671522009-02-13T10:26:00.002-08:002009-02-13T10:26:00.002-08:00but then that suggest that we are all just shallow...but then that suggest that we are all just shallow...mollyp2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/03632691988960771692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-29102082647635958872009-02-13T10:26:00.001-08:002009-02-13T10:26:00.001-08:00Jake: Its possible. Basil could have learned from ...Jake: Its possible. Basil could have learned from his mistakes or maybe he has met someone like Dorain before and lost his innocense so Basil is determined not to let it happen again and save Dorian.LaurenB2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/16840409608002226925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-9414616856302270082009-02-13T10:26:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:26:00.000-08:00Adrienne: I dont think that all first impressions ...Adrienne: I dont think that all first impressions are deceptive...I think it all depends on the person who is making the impression (how comfortable are they with themselves, who do tthey want to be?). But its true that this could also say something about us...perhaps we are drawn to people because of how they look,but when we start to realize who they really are, they are no longer worth our time.mollyp2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/03632691988960771692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-53979251999423530752009-02-13T10:25:00.001-08:002009-02-13T10:25:00.001-08:00***I don’t think Dorian knew he was beautiful beca...***I don’t think Dorian knew he was beautiful because he wasn’t focused on outer beauty. I believe Lord Henry and Basil are corrupting him showing that outer beauty madders which is changing Dorian’s mind and Dorian is losing his innocence with this new idea. I think he viewed his life thus far by his past experience with his family and social class so that’s why he believed he wasn’t beautiful.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968533035164864388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-79119467446153169122009-02-13T10:25:00.000-08:002009-02-13T10:25:00.000-08:00Do Dorian and Lord Henry just have a bromance?Do Dorian and Lord Henry just have a bromance?AdrienneB2009https://www.blogger.com/profile/02534493849537243802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8520676540661633907.post-64893948576466777242009-02-13T10:24:00.001-08:002009-02-13T10:24:00.001-08:00I don’t think Dorian knew he was beautiful because...I don’t think Dorian knew he was beautiful because he wasn’t focused on inner beauty. I believe Lord Henry and Basil are corrupting him showing that outer beauty madders which is changing Dorian’s mind and Dorian is losing his innocence with this new idea. I think he viewed his life thus far by his past experience with his family and social class so that’s why he believed he wasn’t beautiful.Pathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01968533035164864388noreply@blogger.com